Episode 100: Clip Show Special
Thank you for supporting us through 100 episodes and getting us to 100,000 downloads! In this episode, Bon and Rob play back some of our favorite clips from early episodes and reminisce about all we have learned along the way.
Guests featured in this episode:
EP 1: Ellen Lupton, Sharing the Power of Design
EP 2: Nzinga Harrison, Designing for Mental Health
EP 3: Mike Natter, Art, Storytelling, and Medicine
EP 7: John Maeda, Technology and Design
EP 8: Giorgia Lupi, Designing with Data
EP 9: Craig Wilkins, Spacial Justice
EP 10: BJ Miller, Designing Death
EP 18: Cliff Kuang, Designing a User Friendly World
EP 59: Susannah Fox, Designing Peer-to-Peer Health
Other Episode Links and Mentions:
Thad Ziolkowski’s on Surfing and Addiction
Rob’s blood glucose nightlight: https://glowcose.com/
Podcast statistics referenced from Daniel Ruby via Demand Sage: https://www.demandsage.com/podcast-statistics
Episode Transcript
Intro
Bon Ku: Welcome to Design Lab, I'm your host, Bon Ku we have something special for you. This is our 100th episode. I'm joined today by the producer of Design Lab, Rob Pugliese welcome Rob.
Rob Pugliese: What's up, everybody? That's right. I can't believe it. We did it 100 episodes.
Bon Ku: What is up with our new theme music?
Rob Pugliese: You like that, don't you?, Well, it's become a bit of a tradition now that we like to switch it up and change our music now and then, and, this is gonna be our third intro music rendition, produced by the great and fantastic Manny Houston.
Bon Ku: Manny is doing some cool stuff. He is in Las Vegas now, right? He's working on Freestyle Love Supreme. Is that right?
Rob Pugliese: That's right. That's right. He is gonna be part of Lynn Manuel Miranda's production of Freestyle Love Supreme in Vegas. And we're so excited to see him on stage, and he's just such a great guy and a great producer and artist.
Bon Ku: Great artists. We love good music for the Design Lab podcast. It means a lot to us and we are honored to work with artists like Manny Houston. And we've reached some milestones for episode 100. We got like a hundred thousand downloads. Is that right, Rob?
Rob Pugliese: That's right. We've surpassed a hundred thousand downloads. I can't believe it. I can't believe it. You know why? I can believe it. Because our fans are the best. Thank you to everybody out there who listens to the show every week. You keep us going.
Bon Ku: And we started in September of 2020, is that right? The fall of the first year of the pandemic.
Rob Pugliese: Yeah, it was the first year of the pandemic. We were looking for a way to reconnect with people and this was just the perfect way to do that. And we were excited to get such positive feedback from people who were, getting energized and learning a lot from the guests we were bringing on.
And man, we had some great guests.
Bon Ku: And we really want this episode to be something for you listeners, for supporting us. We've had some pretty good milestones. One of them, I think it was in 2020 where Fast Company voted our podcast, so it's one of the nine podcasts to make you more creative. So that was cool. And we've had some other cool stuff, right, Rob?
Rob Pugliese: We have. I mean, if you look at the statistics podcasts are still like a exploding medium. It's growing more and more every day. There's actually 2.4 million podcasts that are out there,
Bon Ku: why are we adding to this? What like,
Rob Pugliese: well, believe it or not. So we are thank again, thanks to our amazing listeners.
We are in the top 10% of podcasts.
In the world. Yep, due to our listener volume and it's, pretty amazing being that I feel like we just started, even though we just hit a hundred episodes and, looking forward to what else we can do.
Bon Ku: And what's this us being in the Library of Congress? What's that about?
Rob Pugliese: That's right. So we are indexed in the Library of Congress, just like, most books are, but the Library of Congress now indexes things like podcasts.
Bon Ku: So cool.
Rob Pugliese: So the Library of Congress traditionally would just index shows, serial television shows would be recorded for their cultural relevancy, now because podcasts have become such a widespread and powerful medium, they begin to index them as well. So, we were part of the initial pilot of podcasts who got recorded indefinitely in perpetuity forever, for all time in the Library of
Bon Ku: Amazing. And we have a freaking awesome newsletter that you create every week for our listeners. If you have not subscribed to that. You can do it. Right. Like why is that important that people subscribe to our podcast newsletter?
Rob Pugliese: We try to make, you know, this program as accessible as we can for different types of listeners, which means that we wanna remind you when we have a new episode out. some people are really good at getting that little notification when Spotify or Apple Podcast tells them there's a new episode.
We wanna also drop something in your mailbox and give you a little information about our guests and even a couple other links that you could follow if you really like the subject matter. And we try to build a show for what we would want, what we would want to learn each week and hear from, especially when we have such incredible guests. We've been so lucky to have such wonderful guests each week. We wanna make sure that everybody knows, when our episode drops.
Bon Ku: And I know you want me to say this every week, but if you haven't already, subscribed, to our podcast, do It. And you support us by going to Apple Podcast or Spotify, and you can actually rank our show. So right now we have almost 105 star ratings on Apple podcasts.
Rob Pugliese: What?
Bon Ku: We don't have a hundred yet, man.
So if you're listening, push us over that a hundred range. So we currently have five star rating, but give us a hundred.
Rob Pugliese: Yeah, there's very few podcasts with five star ratings and even big podcasts. They don't have a lot of ratings. We have a good chunk of ratings, but I think we can make it to 100, and you people out there can help us do that.
Bon Ku: Yeah, it helps others find out about the show. So thank you for supporting us, and we have a pretty cool episode. Can you tell our listening audience what they have in store for them?
Rob Pugliese: Oh yeah, episode 100 is a clip show
Bon Ku: Yeah.
Rob Pugliese: You know, we wanted to go back to the beginning and revisit some of our earlier guests, discuss some of the topics that they brought to us.
Bon Ku: It's like a highlight reel. And so we picked out some of the best clips and we're just gonna like, talk about them, what it meant to us. We wish we could have done it with every single guest, but this episode would've been like five hours long. So we just picked out a few of, some of our memorable earlier clips from the show.
Rob Pugliese: It's been two years since we've heard from some of these folks and they're so awesome, and we wanted to get back to what they had to say and share it with all of you once more.
Bon Ku: Cool. So how do I do this, Rob? What do I?
Rob Pugliese: What's gonna happen is using the magic of radio, we are going to introduce each of a number of guests and play these clips.
What's our first clip gonna be, Bon?
Bon Ku: So we have Ellen Lupton. She is a writer, an author, a curator, an educator and designer. She's also the co-author of our book, Health Design Thinking. She is one of my design heroes. So let's play a clip from Ellen.
Ellen Lupton
Ellen 2: Well, one thing that I do is I recognize that you can be creative in short periods of time. And some of us, we tell ourselves that we can't create anything unless we have the whole weekend. Or if we take a sabbatical or we, you know, have like a whole day off, like Fridays off and that's not realistic for a lot of people.
Ellen Lupton: So if you can look at 20 minutes or half an hour as a time where you can be creative, you chip away at a project that way, if you love to draw and paint, like you can really do a beautiful drawing in 20 minutes.
Rob Pugliese: I think about this. all the time, like this quote will play in my head so frequently. Most commonly, when I'm in the process of picking up my phone to open up some garbage social media, time wasting app.
Bon Ku: What I love about this is Ellen is one of the most creative people that I know. And so I would just think like, creativity exudes out of her pores, but she actually has to be disciplined about it. She has to make time to be creative, and that's something I learned when we were writing our book together.
We would spend these short chunks of time working on the book for over a year is one of the most creative acts that I've done, but they were literally just like what she was. Rob, I would spend like 20 minutes here, one hour here on a random, like Saturday morning or Wednesday night. And we were able to get discreet chunks of the book done throughout a year.
Rob Pugliese: I mean, talking about superpowers, Ellen has got such a superpower for being able to explain these concepts in a way that just makes them so approachable. She's amazing.
Bon Ku: Next up en Nzinga Harrison, who's Nzinga, Rob?
Rob Pugliese: All right, so Nzinga Harrison was our second guest on Design Lab and she's a psychiatrist and the way that she describes and explains and educates people on addiction is really incredible. So we're gonna play this clip for you.
Bon Ku: All right. Let's hear it.
Nzinga Harrison
Nzinga Harrison: that's because surfing, for some reason has the ability to develop a bigger dopamine signal. and so when we look at people with addiction, like first of all, the size of the dopamine signal that drugs can generate, like, just forget it. I always say it's like, food is like a light bulb and cocaine is like the brightness of the sun in terms of intensity of dopamine signal.
Bon Ku: Oh, I remember this. She was making fun of me, because I was talking about my addiction to surfing.
Rob Pugliese: She called you out. She called you out.
Bon Ku: And you know, I was talking about my addiction to surfing and work, but, it's a real thing. There's a biochemical pathway to it.
Rob Pugliese: There is, and there's so much stigma and judgment that goes along with addiction and how people, think about it and talk about it. And she just really has a great way of, describing how everything is just stacked against somebody
who has an addiction, right. Like
Bon Ku: destigmatizes addiction.
Rob Pugliese: Yep. And it's really awesome.
And even though she was calling you out on having a. Or maybe major addiction to surfing,
Bon Ku: Major, major.
Rob Pugliese: I learned so much, from that episode and I encourage everybody to go back and give that one a listen cuz it really is a great one.
Bon Ku: And related to that, we actually had another guy on Thad Ziolkowski, who is such a great author, and he talks about his own addiction to alcohol and opioids and how he used surfing as a replacement addiction. So that was another, episode that I think goes well with Nzinga's episode.
Rob Pugliese: Yeah. Good memory there Bon, I like that.
Bon Ku: Yeah,
Rob Pugliese: All right. Who's next?
Bon Ku: Next clip is from Mike Natter, who we had actually on two times.
He's on episode three. So let's listen to Mike Natter, who is an endocrinologist and an artist.
Mike Natter
Mike Natter: The key is especially people in medicine who are used to being Type A personalities who get top of the class, never get anything wrong. Think in a very black and white mindset and this binary right and wrong. That, it's okay to be in the gray and it's okay for your art or your creation to not end up looking good or useful. It's that process that you're taking, that is the cathartic part. You get into a flow state of mind that actually allows you to what they call
unstring the bow. If you're bow is taught all the time, it's going to start to warp and you have to unstring it.
Rob Pugliese: When's the last time you unstrung your bow Bon?
Bon Ku: Unstringing my bow, I think every time I go surfing I sort of unstring my bow. That's my mechanism. Everyone has their own mechanism to do that. For Mike, it's through his art. That's how he unstring his bow. And the two don't go hand in hand, right Rob? Like most people don't think art and medicine don't go hand in hand.
But, what we learned from Mike is that him being an artist actually makes him to be a better physician.
Rob Pugliese: He describes it in a way, in that he could not be a good physician by his own description without his art. That his art replenishes his empathy. He says it's unstring his bow, right? It gives himself an ability to, refocus and recenter.
Bon Ku: What's amazing about Mike's story is I think he only got to one medical school, being he was an art major in college and He is a smart guy. He is, has a bright mind in medicine. And what we have set up in the pedagogy of medicine is that we select out people like Mike who don't fit this mold of being, a 4.0 biology major in college.
And we select out people who think differently and see the world differently. And we need to be selecting more people like Mike into medicine. And not that we don't need those people who got a 4.0 in biology, but there are other people who can be great doctors who come from different, , majors in college.
Humanities major like me, I was a classical studies major, artists. Other creative people and, Mike has this great Instagram, right, that he makes all these cool graphics and comics and he really inspires a lot of people who are artists like himself who are thinking about a career in medicine, but maybe are a little bit hesitant to enter in medicine because they feel like they need to get all A's in sciences and only have a scientific mindset.
Rob Pugliese: And that's what I love so much about our work in the health design lab is that we've been able to create a place like a haven. For people who are creative to explore their creative side, while also exploring medicine and learning medicine and fixing problems in healthcare, or even better, I love helping people rediscover their creativity, who feel like they've lost it.
Bon Ku: And some of our listing on may not know that we work together in a research group at our hospital in Philadelphia called the Health Design Lab, where we look at everything from using 3D printing to make surgery safer, to teaching human centered design to medical students. So, we actually have a day job outside of this podcast, and that fills most of our time.
Rob Pugliese: think we have a few day jobs Bon.
Bon Ku: One of our inspirations is John Maeda. Tell us about John.
Rob Pugliese: I love listening to John Maeda speak. He has an ability to light that creative fire in my brain, and he does that to a lot of people. And he currently defines himself as a technologist, but he's also an artist educator, graphic designer, computer scientist, an engineer.
He encourages people to be everything that they can be, and it's amazing listening to him.
Bon Ku: He's also an author. I have several of his books. He was president of Rhode Island School of Design and was at MIT Media Lab, before that. So let's listen to a clip from John Maeda.
John Maeda
John Maeda: So, in summary, number one have urgency because you're going to die. Number two, creativity takes time so create that time. Number three, you can make it by making money to fund that free time.
Bon Ku: And Rob, we've taken his advice to heart for the work that we do, right? Like we, we have this sense of urgency about us. We make sure we make time for creativity. and we're practical. We need to fund the space for our creative muscles to be worked out.
Rob Pugliese: Yeah. I mean, the stuff we're talking about on this show every week is urgent. It's an emergency. We have an emergency in healthcare and every one of these episodes, I feel, gets us closer to changing things. And each of the guests we've had on the show, are each contributing to the world a way that, could make us all healthier.
Bon Ku: During the pandemic, I think we felt this sense of urgency, right? And there have been a lot of creative acts that were being done, during the pandemic.
Rob Pugliese: I know, isn't it fascinating? So much about The pandemic was incredibly tragic. But you know, just like how we were inspired to create this show, so many people kind of were just like fed up and they were like, we have to fix things. We have to do things differently. And that's incredible.
And to go from one in incredible designer, and renaissance man, quite frankly, to another amazing designer. Who do we have up next Bon?
Bon Ku: Next up is Giorgia Lupi. She's a information designer and partner at Pentagram based in New York City. Giorgia Lupi is originally from Italy. I love her Italian accent, this was a fun interview and she's the co-author of a book called Dear Data, which I have loved the book, highly recommended.
So let's listen to Georgia Lupi, talk about data.
Giorgia Lupi
Giorgia Lupi: what fascinates me in general about data is really not the numbers, it's the power of abstracting our lives one subject at a time so that we can really focus on that aspect.
And then the power of being an incredible material for visualization and for graphic design. And so this is really the way that I see data in general. And it's really my way of seeing the world in my way to expressing myself.
Rob Pugliese: So as a person with diabetes, hearing Giorgia talking about data and how data is represented is like so important to me, because now that there's so many incredible technologies that enable us to collect this, unfathomable quantities of data. Now what?
Right? Like what do we do with it?
How do we make any sense out?
Bon Ku: Yeah. And she talks about data being a design material and a way to express. Herself, which, most people don't think about data that way. and your life is filled with data that are life in depth data, right from you. You have a insulin pump and you have a continuous glucose monitor, so you're always getting data about yourself.
Rob Pugliese: and something I just bought because I love when the digital world meets the physical world is a light that changes color according to what my blood sugar is.
Bon Ku: Wait, what? What
is this like?
Rob Pugliese: Well how do you see this data? how do you see whether or not someone is good or bad or whatever? They came up with this light. It's literally a little nightlight. And if it's green, you know, you're in a certain range. You can program it to be able just to quickly glance at it and know whether your blood sugar
Bon Ku: You have a blood sugar nightlight on your nightstand?
Rob Pugliese: Yep. Exactly. Yeah.
Bon Ku: Oh, you never told me about this.
Rob Pugliese: it's new. I just got it.
Bon Ku: Oh, get out. so if you get hypoglycemia, what color does it turn?
Rob Pugliese: Red,
Bon Ku: No way. So your wife could see it?
Rob Pugliese: Yep. She could see it. Cause so many times I found myself getting up in the middle of the night and just being too tired to pick up my phone and look at what my blood sugar is. I'm just like, whatever. I'm fine. And just go right back to sleep.
And I was like, I shouldn't be doing that., if I wake up, probably a reason. And now I just know I without even thinking about it, I could see it. And I think it's a really great example of how so much data is invisible
and how. That data is meaningless to you, but to me it's everything.
So the, it's just, it's amazing the possibilities. And John Maeda talks a lot about this as well, right? This invisible alternative universe of the digital world, and it's all data, and how an individual uses it, is a really incredible place for design to make a big impact.
Bon Ku: As we think about the future of medicine, how important it is going to be to get people to think about how to visualize the data that is being collected and outputted by patients and caregivers and others, right? We're having so much more healthcare data out there, and there's gonna be a role for designers to represent that data accurately and to story tell through that data.
Rob Pugliese: And to make sense of it. Because there's already not enough healthcare professionals in the world just to do that face to face encounter. Now we're creating, all this other potentially actionable data. Who or what is gonna do something with that?
I could talk about data all day.
But let's get back to the people. And Craig Wilkins awesome, amazing guest, and he's an artist, activist, academic, and I just love the way he talks about repurposing things in the environment. In this next clip.
Bon Ku: All right. Let's listen to it.
Craig Wilkins
Craig Wilkins: It wasn't designed to do any of that stuff. but these are kids who are using what their environment has provided for them. To do something that they really want to do. And in a sense, they are, re-imagining the ways in which materials can be used. And that's one of the tenants of hip hop architecture is to reimagine what was considered discarded into something that is a substantial or substantive.
Bon Ku: And to give some context around that, he's talking about the birth of hip hop music and how people were using turntables, that played records and how they were repurposing this technology to make hip hop music. So, I love that connection. It was so cool, as you know, music is important to us and this podcast, and it was really cool to see this inspiration and to connect some dots there.
Rob Pugliese: Craig describes repurposing things that you have to create value is such an important lesson, and you can apply that to so many different things in our world. We have another amazing guest coming up on the next clip on. Wanna introduce?
Bon Ku: Yeah. BJ Miller is a palliative care physician based in the San Francisco area. he's a inspiration to me. Love his episode. Let's listen to a quote from BJ.
BJ Miller
BJ Miller: Step one would be just begin to get in touch with the fact that you are finite. Your time on planet is finite. I think from there you start taking your time a little bit more seriously.
You start, like for me, it's a really, one of the ways it's allowed me to live better is when I realized that no matter what I do , whether I don't smoke, whether I eat my kale, whatever it is, I'm going to die someday. It's not a failure. It's not like I didn't try. And knowing that that end is coming, allows me to be a little less paralyzed. So what I mean by that is to say, okay, if I know the end is death, no matter what I do well, then I might as well try. Cause I have nothing to lose.
Bon Ku: BJ Miller had a near death experience when he was a student at Princeton University and he went on to become a palliative care physician, he wrote a book on how we could redesign death. Everyone has to listen to this episode because we need to rethink or reimagine how we die, especially in the , United, States where we have medicalized death and, a huge fan of BJ's.
He's an inspiration to me. You're gonna love what he has to say
Rob Pugliese: Be sure to listen to that one. Kind of in a similar thread to our previous guest, right? This concept of repurposing what you have. BJ really encourages us to repurpose death as a tool to live better.
Bon Ku: And death is what makes us human. We're all gonna die, but so many of our lives are designed that we're gonna live forever. And so there's something freeing, actually accepting that yes, we are going to die, and how are you going to re-engineer our lives in light of that, right?
We're gonna take our time more seriously when we accept that our life here on this planet is finite.
Rob Pugliese: I think is a great segue to our next guest, Cliff Kuang, who is an author of the book User Friendly. And in this clip he talks about feedback. And the importance and power of feedback, something which, I think you can only really accept if you accept the fact that your life is finite.
Bon Ku: This is one of my favorite, quotes by Cliff.
Cliff Kuang
Cliff Kuang: Feedback is this process is this, this loop by which the intent that we have is reflected in the world around us.
And when that loop is short-circuited, when it's not working. Then you don't have any confidence in whether or not you had agency over the things around you.
Bon Ku: So every time you order your latte at Starbucks, Rob, there's a feedback loop,
right? They say, a grande soy latte, and it's repeated by the barista, and you have this assurance that your coffee is being prepared. But in healthcare, we lack those feedback loops.
for example, when I'm ordering a medication, I go into the computer, into electronic healthcare record, and I order a medication. But there isn't that same feedback loop of like, Hey, I know what I order is going to be completed. And I think a lack of a feedback loop can be catastrophic.
In healthcare and what Cliff Long does in this book, user friendly. He talks about the history of feedback loops, the history of products and services and systems that were designed poorly and how catastrophic, that is highly recommend that book. A lot of implications for healthcare.
Rob Pugliese: The lack of feedback loops as it pertains to, public and community health, I think is, crazy, right? Like when you discharge a patient with a set of instructions and a prescription, you almost never get to find out whether or not that was successful, right?
Unless they, something extreme happens and they land back in your emergency department.
Bon Ku: What about you, Rob? On a daily basis, if you don't have a feedback loop, you will literally die from your diabetes.
Rob Pugliese: I would, I would, it's true without that information and being able to see that my actions have consequences, and then having feedback on that and being able to try again is how I keep my diabetes under control.
Bon Ku: What does that look like on a daily basis for you? Like you eat a meal I see you with your continuous glucose monitor and your insulin pump. Like how does that feedback loop work for you?
Rob Pugliese: So every meal is different. I have to make a calculation to how much insulin I have to give myself. So I'll eat that meal and you know, people eat pretty much the same stuff. So let's say I'll have, Something I really should never have with like a bagel with cream cheese. And then I'm like, all right, there's like 70 grams of carbs probably in this bagel.
And I tell myself to give myself 70 grams of carbs worth of insulin, and then I get to watch my blood sugar and I get to see it slowly creep up. And then because it was a bagel, there'll be a sudden massive spike. And then I'll see my insulin kick in some point down the road, and then there'll be a massive drop.
And then I'll feel terrible I'll regret doing any of that and eating that bagel. And then there's my feedback, I'm like, you know what, maybe next time I shouldn't have, a bagel for breakfast, because it doesn't matter how hard I try, it's gonna be hard to control that with my insulin
Bon Ku: Yeah, I mean it, it'd be like giving yourself insulin and not checking your blood sugar is a lack of a feedback loop, right?
Rob Pugliese: Yeah, exactly.
Bon Ku: All right. Our last clip is from Susannah Fox, who is I think the number one fan of Design Lab podcast. She is, yeah. She's a super fan. She's always tweeting about us, gives us positive feedback. She is wonderful. She was a guest on episode 59. Susannah is a health and information technology researcher.
She's working on a new book that's coming out next year, and she was a former Chief Technology Officer for the US Department of Health and Human Services. Let's listen to what Susannah has to say.
Susannah Fox
Susannah Fox: You can look at the top 10 products in any health category on Amazon and start reading the reviews and people are giving incredible feedback on the design, for those medical devices and products that they're . Using to make their lives better.
And that's why I think peer to peer health care is so much more powerful and widespread than a lot of people in the C-suite of healthcare understand right now.
Bon Ku: So Susannah’s book is going to be on this concept of peer tope healthcare and recognizing the expertise of patients and caregivers in that community. She's been like this anthropologist over the past few years, understanding what value that patients and caregivers can have upon overall health and how they're unrecognized.
Rob Pugliese: And this is such a powerful resource for anybody who has a disease or is. Countering something new in their health or in their life for the first time. And we almost take it for granted now, because it has become part of our culture to, before you make any decision, you look to see what decisions others have made and what this means for people's health can't be overstated.
Bon Ku: And I hope we see more of that. I mean, I say this a lot that, it's easier to find information on the restaurant that you're going to eat out tonight in your city than maybe the surgeon who's going to take your gallbladder out. Like we need more ways where people can get reviews, not only physicians and hospitals, but the products and services of healthcare.
Rob Pugliese: And thinking back to the episode with Liz Salmi.
Bon Ku: I love Liz.
Rob Pugliese: Exactly, talking about open notes and the importance of openness and more communication. Not less in healthcare.
Bon Ku: Transparency.
Rob Pugliese: And transparency. I'm happy that we, you know, live in today's world of healthcare. There's so much that needs to be fixed.
But hearing people arguing as to whether or not patients should or should not receive information is just not something we have to hear anymore. And it's amazing because there are so many ways that we can be helping people take better care of themselves and be healthier by just being more transparent.
Outro
Bon Ku: We just wanna thank you for listening to us, for tuning in each week. Sometimes, I don't know Rob, I feel like are we just speaking out into a void?
Rob Pugliese: It feels like that
Bon Ku: it does, it does. Cuz we're just here, we're like on Zoom, we're like talking into these mics, but. It's cool when people give us feedback on like Twitter and Instagram and you leave some reviews on Apple podcasts and it's super helpful when you do that cuz sometimes it's a lonely experience just speaking out into the void.
Rob Pugliese: Totally. And the constructive criticism is great too. When we make changes to the show and we make it better, it's awesome. It's so great to be able to continue to iterate, and improve the show for folks, and for us. It's a lot of fun.
Bon Ku: It's the reason why we do this. We don't get paid to do this podcast, but it is a passion project for us. We are very curious about how we could design healthier lives, and there's a lot of garbage out there. Misinformation and disinformation we really wanna highlight.
The amazing people in our network, who are doing this, and if you have ideas for future guests, please let us know. We love recommendations of people that you think can be on this show, who can inspire us to live a healthier life.
Rob Pugliese: Exactly.
Bon Ku: How can they do that? How can people reach out to us? Rob,
Rob Pugliese: So you can just shoot us an email, at bon@designlabpod.com or rob@designlabpod.com. Heck, drop it in a comment we read every one. So we'll see it, you know, if you think there's somebody who we should have on the show and we'll do what we can to get 'em on.
Bon Ku: One thing I think is funny is that people think we have a large team working on this podcast. So explain, Rob, how the magic happens. Who's our team? How does the show get produced?
Rob Pugliese: We're lucky to have some help just a little. We do have some help, but most of the work is happening right here between Bon and myself. Bon does a lot of work curating an incredible guest list and communicating with them to make sure that they sound awesome when they come on the show. And I get to apply all of my obsessive compulsive, pharmacist tendencies to producing this show and making sure that it sounds as crisp and beautiful as possible for your.
And each week, if you listen at the end of the show, we always give credit to the folks who do help us to make this show fantastic people like, Manny Houston, who does our incredible music, Eden Lou, who did all of the original art for the show, and then my editor, Fernando Queiroz, who is really a life saver and saves me a lot of time cutting these episodes each week.
Bon Ku: Yeah. Thanks. Thanks Fernando, for helping us with that. So that was our 100th episode. Thanks for tuning in and helping us go down memory lane for some of our favorite design quotes.
Rob Pugliese: Yes, thank you. And I think we should send everybody home with a couple to-dos a little bit of homework. So we already talked about reviews. Well, I'm not gonna say it again, but I will. And also send us your guest recommendations, but also tell your friends and family about the show.
If not for us, for our incredible guests who give their time to, to be on the show and to speak with you each week, make sure you spread the word. Help be our advocates for this show. The more ears we get, the more energy we have and the more awesome work we'll put out for you to listen to.
Bon Ku: And hopefully we will come back at episode 200.
Rob Pugliese: Episode 200. Oh,
Bon Ku: do it.
Rob Pugliese: One more thing, Bon. I also wanna thank you for doing such a fantastic job with this show. It's been, my honor to make a hundred episodes of incredible content with you and can't wait to keep making more.
Bon Ku: Thanks, Rob. It's been an incredible journey. mean, We cannot do this, alone, we are a team and this has been one of the most creative things I've done in my life, so thank you, Rob. Thank you for producing this. Let's make 100 more episodes, man.
Rob Pugliese: Thanks everybody out there for listening. We'll see you next week.
Bon Ku: All right, now, here's Manny Houston taking us out.
